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	<title>Comments on: Using aria-describedby for form help text</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 00:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your post - I&#039;ve also started using this recently - it&#039;s a great solution to the common problem of how to mark up contextual help in web forms.

I also like the ARIA validation attributes for IE7+ form styling - in this case it&#039;s great to be able to use accessible markup as a means to several ends.

@FlowerMountain - tried to view the Derek Featherston piece but it&#039;s password protected :-(. I have heard him speak before though, and he&#039;s very knowledgeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post &#8211; I&#8217;ve also started using this recently &#8211; it&#8217;s a great solution to the common problem of how to mark up contextual help in web forms.</p>
<p>I also like the ARIA validation attributes for IE7+ form styling &#8211; in this case it&#8217;s great to be able to use accessible markup as a means to several ends.</p>
<p>@FlowerMountain &#8211; tried to view the Derek Featherston piece but it&#8217;s password protected <img src='http://www.lessfussdesign.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> . I have heard him speak before though, and he&#8217;s very knowledgeable.</p>
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		<title>By: FlowerMountain</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlowerMountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 09:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this article, it&#039;s very clear.

I looked into aria-describedby after listening to a seminar by Derek Featherstone called &quot;In Top Form: designing and building accessible forms&quot;. http://bit.ly/huuxUg  

He mentions Aria but doesn&#039;t go into details. I recommend this seminar, I learnt a lot even though I thought I had more Accessibility knowledge thatn the average front-end person. 

It&#039;s great that you use Aria but it wasn&#039;t silly at all to use text within the label in the first place, precisely because of the poor support of Aria at the moment. We should use Aria but still think about the users who don&#039;t have access to such extra info or don&#039;t know about it. It&#039;s like with CSS3 and HTML5: progressive enhancement is The Way :)

There is this great survey done on screen reader users by WebAIM: http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey2/#landmarks

You&#039;ll see that 42% of these users don&#039;t even know about Aria, and 5% have browsers that don&#039;t support it at all. 

Now I&#039;m going to look into aria-labeledby because I still don&#039;t know how to use that one... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this article, it&#8217;s very clear.</p>
<p>I looked into aria-describedby after listening to a seminar by Derek Featherstone called &#8220;In Top Form: designing and building accessible forms&#8221;. <a href="http://bit.ly/huuxUg" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/huuxUg</a>  </p>
<p>He mentions Aria but doesn&#8217;t go into details. I recommend this seminar, I learnt a lot even though I thought I had more Accessibility knowledge thatn the average front-end person. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s great that you use Aria but it wasn&#8217;t silly at all to use text within the label in the first place, precisely because of the poor support of Aria at the moment. We should use Aria but still think about the users who don&#8217;t have access to such extra info or don&#8217;t know about it. It&#8217;s like with CSS3 and HTML5: progressive enhancement is The Way <img src='http://www.lessfussdesign.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There is this great survey done on screen reader users by WebAIM: <a href="http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey2/#landmarks" rel="nofollow">http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey2/#landmarks</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll see that 42% of these users don&#8217;t even know about Aria, and 5% have browsers that don&#8217;t support it at all. </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m going to look into aria-labeledby because I still don&#8217;t know how to use that one&#8230; <img src='http://www.lessfussdesign.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Gillenwater</title>
		<link>http://www.lessfussdesign.com/blog/2010/08/using-aria-describedby-for-form-help-text/comment-page-1/#comment-10540</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Gillenwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/aria.html#ARIA1, IE 8 doesn&#039;t support aria-describedby. (It does support some ARIA, but not all.) I haven&#039;t tested this myself -- just going off this page. Still, I think this is a good technique to use in many cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/aria.html#ARIA1" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/aria.html#ARIA1</a>, IE 8 doesn&#8217;t support aria-describedby. (It does support some ARIA, but not all.) I haven&#8217;t tested this myself &#8212; just going off this page. Still, I think this is a good technique to use in many cases.</p>
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